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  • after reading everything you say john i am more than convinced that you like to see your own name on here..and i am STILL convinced that you are Sutton... you are full of crap... once again... SUTTON AND BUSH ARE THE TRUE IDIOTS HERE!!! there isn't even any proof that ramos was the one that shot the moron that YOU... and BUSH are so willing to trust... i guess it doesn't even bother you that this dipwad was given full immunity to come and go in this country.. delivering drugs to our streets and kids.... SHAME ON YOU... watch your mouth .... FREE RAMOS AND COMPEAN... Bush should be arrested as well as anyone involved in lettin a drug dealer have a free ride into the united states.. they are guilty of endangering EVERYONE in the united states!!! our so called president has pardoned several drug dealers... allowed one of our own trying to protect us get beaten... give me no more of you b.s. because frankly.... that is all your spouting off is... pure b.s.
  • (Posted on March 1, 2007, 2:03 pm Dawn)

  • In response to the poster, I can only assume that you are speaking in general terms of the Border Patrol or perhaps even more blanketed as that of the entire array of U.S. law enforcement by referring two these two idiots as ''hero's'' ? Clearly this pair not only violated policy but in fact state and federal law through their actions. These two Patrol agent's at time, did not wound this person without realizing that ''they'' had done so. You will get no argument from me at all that the person whom they shot was probably a total scumbag ( judgment made by viewing a photo of him) however at the time of the shooting they didn't know he was a total scumbag. Let me enlighten you just a bit on border crime and law as compared to that of the interior: The fact that this person was driving a van which apparently had been determined to be smuggling a load of narcotics (weed) across the border, does not in it's self make this person to be that of a total scumbag. For all intent and promises a drug runner yes, but not a total scumbag. The two are in fact of large difference here on our South West border. Often these drivers of these narcotic loads as well as the human mules which transport the stuff via pack_pack on foot are not scumbags at all, but instead people with family members either being held hostage or a clear threat of death for themselves or family should they not transport the dope. Sadly many such people find themselves caught up in this battle waged daily along this border between that of the Cartels and US law enforcement. Keeping that thought and fact in mind it casts even more burden and expectation that law enforcement (such as with these two ex-agents) and anyone else, make certain that a threat does in fact exist before blazing away at one of these persons, fleeing or not. Simply because someone has ''something shinny'' in his hands does not arise to a level where deadly force can nor should be applied, least we would end up with many more such shootings of people with a comb, cell phone or a host of other such items the general public are known to carry at times. I do not believe these two agent's account at all that they ''saw something in his hand, which looked like a gun''. In my personal opinion these two ex-agents went to court and tried to defend themselves of the charges placed against them, based upon a false account of the event and the jury saw through it. Their defense sadly was pretty much based on '' we saw something which looked like a gun''. Given the fact and as related by Compean himself, he had physical contact with the subject just prior to Ramos shooting him. Surly had the subject have been armed as the two weakly claimed with their statement of ''something that looked like a gun'', at least Mr. Compean should have been able to state with more certainty that the person had been armed. We are talking about an event which took place midday during daylight hours, not during the hours of darkness where such weak statements would have been more believable. Clearly, had this event have been reported as it should have at the time it had occurred, the scene which would have contained the fresh sign and other evidence along with the fresh accounts of any and all involved, these two idiots would probably have been cleared, if the event did in fact unfold as they have stated. So why didn't they report the discharge of their weapons? I think the reason for this failure was because their account of the event wasn't truthful. I cannot believe that Compean having fired all of the many shots which was reported that he did, without hitting the person at least once? Yet Mr. Ramos arrives on scene and fires one shot....and stops firing. Why did he stop firing, and why only one shot? While he claims that he didn't think he had hit the person, I believe that to be a falsehood on his part. I believe Ramos knew fully that he had wounded the person, otherwise it makes no sense that he would have stopped firing, with the threat of what he felt was an armed drug smuggler still present. Along this border we who live here encounter Border Patrol agents often, just as we encounter those who smuggle Illegal Aliens and narcotics by the truck load and foot guided groups, or Mule Trains. While our elected officials would like the public to think that we ''aren't in a war zone'' here, in fact we are. The Border Patrol needs no probable cause such as other law enforcement to pull a person over in this war zone, they can simply do it on a whim. While in fact I am in agreement with this act, as these stops are performed by officers which display good judgment and common since. Such random stops based upon a knowledgeable agent's good judgment and training has and does save lives, and to take smugglers and load cars off of our local roads. However, with the large hiring spree which took place a few years ago and continues today, sadly the ranks of the Border Patrol has grew to include many that lack both knowledge and common sense. This lack of good judgment on the part of many of these agents is cause for great concern, especially during such stops during the hours of darkness. Often in their zest to bag a load of dope or even a load of Aliens many of these agents cut corners, which can lead to an innocent person being harmed or their Civil Rights being trampled upon. While I have experienced many such events in the remote area where we live, one really stands out. One evening while returning home via one of our remote highways I and a friend had noticed the headlights of a car fast approaching us from behind. Since we were traveling at the speed limit, and since these lights were approaching us so quickly I had assumed the car to be one of two things: either a drunk driver or that of some law enforcement officer. I decided in either case the best thing to do was to pull to the shoulder and clear of the roadway to give whoever it was plenty of room. However as the lights neared us instead of going on by the car pulled in behind us on the shoulder. Although not being able to see the car for it's bright headlights we assumed that it must in fact be the police and at any moment the officer would turn on his overhead lights and approach our car? However several minutes had passed and this did not take place. Being that this section of the highway was in fact very remote and only one or two miles directly North of the border the thought passed through our minds that perhaps the car contained border bandits which are known to operate in this area. With that thought now heavy on our minds after so much time had passed I decided to easy my car ahead, thinking that if in fact it were the police the officer would then turn on his overhead lights. As I started moving very slowly the car behind us did not turn on any lights, but instead gunned his engine and attempted to race up beside our car on the left hand side. As this car did so I myself gunned our engine to abort the car's attempt, and at the same time made a hard turn to the right to make a 270 degree turn so that the other car would be in our headlights. As I was making the turn my friend was readying his 12 gage shotgun. As I completed the 270 and was now facing the roadway and the attacking car broadside on it's right side, we immediately became aware that it was in fact a Border Patrol unit! As I stopped just feet short of it's passenger door in a cloud of dust, the agent on that side was falling out with his gun in hand, although barely. Two agents which had done a very stupid thing then started screaming for us to not move and to show our hands, with guns pointed on us. After a few very tense moments of them screaming and of myself screaming back explaining that both by partner's hands and mine had guns in them with the hammers back, and that we were not going to drop them and take a chance of a round going off, the stand off ended. Thank goodness it wasn't Ramos and Compean huh? As most folks I do not believe these two idiots deserve being sent up for the years they received. However they do not deserve a pardon either for the crap they pulled. I fully believe that if they get rid of the lawyer they have and get abetter one to handle their appeal and stop lying, they could possibly get a new trial. However they do in fact warrant some form of punishment so that other such idiots might not commit the same crimes, and what they did was in fact a crime, not a breach of policy as they and others would have us believe. John
  • (Posted on January 1, 2007, 12:31 am John)

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